you, join us in the after the show show, foxandfriends.com. >> alisyn: thanks for joining us, we'll see you back here, saturday this morning, 7:00 a.m. and if the wind takes us away first. >> dave: all but the fannie pack! >> jamie: a fox news alert, new reaction from new york city mayor michael bloomberg on the deadly mid-air collision between a sight-seeing helicopter and a small plane over the hudson. we have live pictures coming back from the hudson river as the police search for the victims. nine people believed dead including a child. and mayor michael bloomberg speaking just a short time ago, saying, investigators will be looking at whether this was simply an accident, or a tragic wake-up call for federal aviation regulators. >> transportation safety board will do a complete investigation, figure out what happened, and see whether measures should be taken. that in the end will be up to the faa, and they are the ones

that set these rules as to where you can fly. these are heavily used corridors and helicopter are very important to the city and used all the time. and for commerce and this may have been an accident, total tragedy or maybe in fact if we had different procedures you could have prevented it. >> eric: good morning, everyone i'm eric sean along with jamie colby here in new york. divers recovering a 4th body from the cash site earlier this morning, and this is federal investigators, relying on eyewitness accounts and amateur photographs of the incidents like the one we have been showing you hear in the fox news channel, like this one, so dramatic and sad and to try and piece together exactly what happened and joining us on the telephone is one of the top aviation in the nation, mitch bowmeister, what do you do and where do you start when the mayor of new york says maybe there should be new procedures, how do you determine exactly what went wrong? >> caller: good morning, eric.

let me just step back. i have flown this corridor myself, i have flown both high wing aircraft and low wing, fixed wing aircraft and i have been in helicopters in this corridor and number one we have called for a long time, to segregate the aerospace below 1100 feet, a busy corridor, above 500 feet and give the tour operators a specific slice of aerospace, in which they can operate. remember, the helicopter, the pilot who sits on the right side in the helicopter, the captain of the aircraft, is acting both in his duty to see and avoid and at the same time point out, sadly, in the tragedy, all of the sights, very difficult to do two things at once, and addition, the piper aircraft, itself, is a low wing, general aviation aircraft and if the aircraft was slightly above the helicopter, and in a right turn or in a slight descent, remember there is a blind spot with a low wing general aviation aircraft and the bottom line is number

one the way you bring it together, could have been a blind spot, and the piper could have been in a -- both aircraft were traveling in the same direction and everybody's attention is generally to the left. and down. and so nobody is really looking above and, number one, sadly, we have called for a change in the aerospace for many years and when i say we, i mean, people who have flown in these corridors and attorneys, you've got to segregate the aerospace, especially, for the tour operators, and you have to make sure that this doesn't happen again, because this is not the first time, eric, and, sadly it will happen again unless someone takes control. >> eric: when flying down the hudson and looking at the left, at the empire state building and ahead at the statue of liberty, an amazing sight and as you said, aviation attorneys such as yourself have been calling for this and why hasn't the government done anything about it. >> caller: why hasn't the government done a lot of things, eric? because it takes the nerve yeah and a mountain to noof tmove t e

inertia, it is a beautiful thing and important for commerce but you need safety reviews and in order to get the faa in there, they have to fight lobby a, b and c and it should be done and now is this time, segregate the aerospace in terms of commercial operators using some of it and then, sightseers using another, and to create that kind of separation at a minimum. >> eric: how widespread is it across the country? it sounds amazing, the on-demand service, noncommercial flights, in 2007, 2008, 109 people, 109 -- were killed, when the commercial flights didn't have any type of crashes. how widespread is this across the country? and do you take your life into your hands if you are in the situation someplace else. >> caller: well, you don't -- i have to admit on air i have -- i'm a helicopter pilot and i have gone up on helicopter tour, in hawaii and other places and the answer is you have to be very very, careful when you get on a tour operator's tour.

i, before i do anything, go on all of the web sites and check out the crash record of the helicopter or the fixed wing tours, grand canyon is one of them and the fear is you have to worry about very severe up and down drafts and in hawaii, helicopters are amazing instruments of flight, on the other hand, has a thousand moving part and before i get into in a one of the tour operators i will always check their safety record and accident record and things such as that and one last point, nowhere in the country, eric where you have a compressed intensity of commercial aircraft, police aircraft, fire aircraft, and just general aviation pilot on the sunday afternoon, taking a look at manhattan. there is nowhere that you have compression, in this unique situation action must be taken. >> eric: maybe it will lead to strong action and you are right. it is crowded on that corridor, i've done it myself years ago

and you can see, tragically what can sometimes go wrong, aviation attorney, rich bowmeister, aviationer than, thanks for joining us. >> thank you. >> eric: we are learning more information about the crash coming one month after a federal watchdog warned rules are too lax for those on-demand tour flights and just ahead we'll talk to another expert, about whether or not the government needs to keep a closer eye on those flights that are for hire. jamie. >> jamie: meanwhile, today president obama's boarding air force one and will head south of the border. he is due in guadalajara mexico for a two day north american leaders summit and said to meet with president filipe calderon tonight and will discuss the drug wars that have cost more than 12,000 lies and from there the leaders will meet with canada's prime minister, and they'll discuss trade and immigration, and also, other issues. and, we're going to have a live report from mexico, that is coming up, for you, in the next hour. >> eric: the health care now, vocal opponents of president

obama's health care reform plan may find an increasing number of congresspeople are hard to find in the coming weeks and one report out of florida says this morning that there are now practically no health care town hall meetings to be found. that after a particularly ugly session in tampa. >> you work for us! you work for you! hear our voice! hear our voice! >> eric: the country has been seeing what happened at some of these town hall meeting a democratic representative, kathy caster and that event im tampa, nearly 1500 people packed this event, it was so crowded, a few hundred more were gathered outside and many started shouting when they were not allowed inside and now we hear between ten senators and members of congress who represent florida, only two now have town halls scheduled over the august break. >> jamie: house speaker nancy pelosi last week called these protesters nazis. the senate majority leader harry reid called them unamerican.

and, the white house started gathering information on the health care opposition, in a move that critics are comparing to president nixon's enemies list. there is a white house web site, set up now, to keep track of disinformation as the white house is calling it. about the democrats' health care reform. and our next guest says the information going to the web site is permanent and very, very secret. byron york this is chief political correspondent for the washington examiner and a fox news contributor, byron, good morning. >> good morning. >> jamie: let's talk about the white house, looking for disinformation out there. and, as they are asking people to send these e-mails or any information, they see, to flag at whitehouse.gov are they collecting a database you are concerned will become permanent and secretive. >> they are required by law to keep records of the e-mails they receive, something called the presidential records act which

requires the white house to keep this stuffal also if you as a citizen want to find out about something, if you want to find out something maybe the justice department did did or the -- some other cabinet department did, file a freedom of information act request and get the information and you can't do that with the white house. the white house is exempt from the freedom of information act. so this is something that the white house does not have to reveal, does not have to make public. and, also, it has to keep, and they can say they are not collecting names but the e-mails or communications that are sent in is something the white house is required to keep, i will say, though, i think that since it has so much publicity it could be back firing on the white house and you have people calling up talk radio saying since they found out about the white house site flag at white house.gov have been sending e-mails saying, here i am and i oppose the president's plan, come and get me and my guess is they've gotten a lot of protest e-mails or prank e-mails, maybe more than they planned for. >> jamie: but more to the point, and -- of such conce o out there

is this fact that the question of whether or not the privacy act applies you say the freedom of information act does not apply but the senate judiciary committee is looking at this, this request, that people knock on their -- narc on their neighbors, essentially and what will happen with it from there is really of great concern, and if they are exempt from all of this, what could happen? >> well, we talked about the freedom of information act, we talked about the presidential records act and there is nor thing called the privacy act that requires most government agencies forbids them from creating dossiers and gathering information on people exercising their first amendment rights and the question is does the privacy act apply to the white house? we don't have an absolutely definitive court case but the expert i have talked to say the court cases we do have indicates that it does not. so, here again, this is something the white house, if the white house were a government agency, it couldn't be doing this. but since they are, they can

keep the information secret and it can be permanent. >> jamie: so what about oversight of the information? and any recourse? say you get something that you think is fishy. but, between the clamp down at the town halls and these accusations of -- against people who just want under freedom of speech to come out and press their opinion or ask a question at one of these town halls there is so much pushback against people speaking out on this, what do you do if you send an e-mail and you regret turning in your neighbor? >> oversight, the white house does comes from congress, you have several committees in congress, that can demand information from the white house, about what it is doing, however, the president is democrat and the congress is democrat and the democratic chairmen will be unlikely to push very hard. but that -- the only place that real oversight could come from would be from a congressional committee. >> jamie: is this another example of something the president might reconsider? this request for people to turn in others who are just

circulating information in an attempt to educate the public about a potential government-run nationalized health care plan? >> well, something the president himself could say, out of his own mouth, look this was something that kind of an overly aggressive staffer did here, and i don't believe in the, we don't want this, we do not want you to send in information, informing about your neighbors. and even though we are required by the presidential records act to keep it, we'll make absolutely no use of this and don't want you to do this. the president could walk back what his administration has done. >> jamie: i know you'll stay on it for us, interesting piece you wrote and appreciate you being here as well. take care. >> thanks. >> eric: to afghanistan now, reports this morning say president obama set to unveil a new plan for measuring progress there, and impact stan, since last month, 43 american troops have been killed in attacks across afternoghanistan in rece efforts to top the taliban

insurgency and the death toll reaching the highest level, now the white house, floating the strategic implementation, a coded system with an array of numerical indicators, to help policymakers spot what objectives are in trouble and where they can help, and there are report now that the u.s. may have to remain in afghanistan for at least the next decade, with 62,000 troops there, now, and more may come, what will the new american strategy be there? we will discuss that, with the general in the next hour. >> jamie: also, an -- indonesia police are waiting on dna evidence, trying to identify the body of a suspected terrorist that was killed in a gunbattle this weekend. police say that he was killed during a 16 hour battle he had with authorities and police moved in on him after they uncovered an alleged plot to assassinate indonesia's president in a homicide bombing. he is blamed for some of the dailiest terrorist attacks in southeast asia including the

infamous bali nightclub bombing. >> julie: the story of euna lee and laura ling, the two american journalists arrested in north korea and sentenced to 12 years of hard labor. and ended with the storybook finish, both women back on american soil. and finally reunited with their families, with that emotional homecoming. but were the two journalists set up by the north koreans, from the very beginning? and christian activists who work near the dangerous border now say the north koreans had their sights on capturing foreign journalists and the two women, they say, may have fallen into the trip, john bolten, former u.s. ambassador to the united nations and fox news contributor joins us now, thanks for joining us on this sunday. >> good morning. >> eric: do you believe it was a trap set by the north koreans and they talk about wanting a foreign prize and why would they do that? >> well, it is certainly a very interesting story, we'll have to learn more about it. but the background is that there is a lot of human trafficking across the north korean-china

uneasy bord knees border and refugees trying to escape and finding themselves effectively in slavery situations and there is a lot of activity up around there, and this idea that the north koreans might be able to capture foreigners engaged in it and journalists as these two ladies apparently were trying to cover the story. certainly adds a very interesting ingredient into the whole idea about trying to send former president clinton to get them out of north korea and in fact the whole thing was a north korean idea to begin with. >> eric: the missionaries talk about being targeted and the refugees and people trying to help the refugees along the border. why would now, want to target or maybe stop the christian missionaries from doing their important work? >> well, i think the north koreans are very worried about the stories the refugees carry out of now, how desperate the conditions are. on their side, the chinese are

not that enthusiastic about the refugees, either, they worry that if it becomes easy to get across that border, the relative trickle of refugees now will turn into a flood which they don't want. but, by being able to use the uncertainty around the border area, as a trap and in fact the two journalists according to this report in the british press, were warned about the potential for a trap, you can see how a rogue state like north korea can try to grab a couple of americans, and use them to extract a ransom from the united states. >> eric: this morning henry kissinger as you point out in the "washington post" calls it blackmail. >> i was very happy to see former secretary of state kissinger's op-ed, i think he's right on target. expressed concerns, very similar to what i have been saying, that when you get the americans out, as was done this week with the two journalists you want to do it in a way that does not increase this risk for other americans. we can see in iran right now,

the three americans there, who have been moved from the border area with iraq, to tehran and we see employees of the british and french embassy now put on trial by the iranian authorities, including one french national. so, the risk here i think is very real, and the concern about giving in to these in fact terrorist demands, something i think should concern us greatly. >> eric: we have the freedom we are looking at for these two and there are three american hikers now held by iran and seems sometimes these innocent americans can be pawns in the international chess board by these rogue states. ambassador john bolten, fox news contributor, former alabaster to the u.n., always food to see you, thanks for joining us on this sunday. >> thank you, eric. >> eric: jamie. >> jamie: a police chase ends in a horrific scene in california, there are 7 people dead, 4 of them are children. and there are lots of questions now about the suspects in the case. and how police hand the whole thing. the search for answers, just ahead.

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for a traffic in frashfrastruc . >> the top republican in the senate, this morning addressing the questions about the democrats' plan to reform health care. and increasingly vocal opposition to those plans across the country. kentucky senator mitch mcconnell on "fox news sunday" moment ago: >> i think it is in serious trouble. for good reason. first of all, americans are very skeptical about putting the government in charge of all of american health care. they are also skeptical as to whether it will be paid for, the congressional budget office says it is not paid for. and even if they become convinced that it is pad foid f you have to look at how it is being paid for. >> jamie: joining me now the host of "fox news sunday," chris wallace, good morning. >> chris: good morning, jamie.

>> jamie: as you know, more and more people are following the health care debate and more and more people want to get involved and more and more people want what they want and are showing up at the town halls and are being criticized for it. did you ask about the opposition from the democratic party, really criticizing the people in the way they are calling them unamerican? >> chris: yeah, absolutely. and what senator mcconnell said is you know, if you are not winning on the facts of the argument in health care, then you try to change the surgery and he thinks that is what they are doing, the democrats are doing, people like the president, or nancy pelosi or robert gibbs, they are losing on health care, so they are trying to change the subject to the tactics or the behavior of the opponent and, one thing, that was not included in the clip, he was talk about why people are angry about health care and he talked particularly about seniors, because a lot of the savings is supposed to come from cuts in government expenditures

from medicare and seniors are concerned, rightly and does it mean a cut i'll get at the end of my life? so, he feels at this point the argument, the national debate is going the republicans' way, not the democrats. >> jamie: what does he feel will happen in the senate when they return. >> chris: obviously he has 40 votes and the democrats have 60 and he cannot control that. he certainly hopes that they will defeat the kind of health care reform -- he says he'd like a reform package, just not the kind that the democrats and the president are talking about, especially the public health option which he feels is going to lead the -- to government takeover, but, he knows he can count votes and why he is the senate minority leader and says there is only so much we can do and he says we'll do everything we can to try to block it. i should also point out on the show, jamie, we also took in a rare interview with the president's national security advisor, general jim jones. he doesn't do a lot of interviews and we were delighted

to have him. he talks about the killing of the top taliban leader, baitullah mehsud in pakistan and this impact it may have on the situation in pakistan and afghanistan and we also asked him straight out, can you promise the american people that there were no concession from the u.s. to the north koreans to free those two women journalists, you will be interested to hear his answer. >> jamie: a must-see "fox news sunday," without question, chris, always good to see you. >> jamie: you bet, thank you, jamie. >> eric: and the scene of the new york's hudson river, unfolding now, drivers and police experts searching for more victims of yesterday's deadly mid-air crash. that sent the helicopter, sight-seeing helicopter and a private airplane, a piper, plummeting into the frigid hudson river, could more have been done to prevent the collision between the copter and the small plane? just ahead we'll look at accusations the faa ignored, some key safety steps, for this

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>> eric: topping the news a powerful earthquake hit tokyo, registering 6.89, rattled japan's capital city and surrounding areas, no immediate reports of any damages or injuries, and scientists say there is no danger of a tsunami. recovery teams right now, discovered a 4th victim, following the deadly mid-air collision over the hudson river at new yor